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we were talking at the club about sub depths anyone any info on sub wrecks around scotland ? we are not techies . so were wondering if there are any at 30-40 mtr range? any links appreciated.
if only!!
the u33 on the clyde is around 64m.
there is one found on the east coast around 43m i think.
cant remember the name.
these might help you get started.
http://uboat.net/index.html
http://www.operationdeadlight.co.uk/
I believe there's a U-boat near Dunbar in 40-45m.
http://www.divesafariscotland.com/wrecksites.htm
http://www.eastlothiandivers.org.uk/diving_around_dunbar.htm (this site seems to be offline just now but is very useful if it reappears)
we were talking at the club about sub depths anyone any info on sub wrecks around scotland ? we are not techies . so were wondering if there are any at 30-40 mtr range? any links appreciated.
Yeah its U74
(WW1 Mine Laying Sub: http://uboat.net/wwi/boats/index.html?boat=74) about 3ktm off the coast of Dunbar, it sits around 42m on LW, both me and Smudge have dived it. You will need twins for this dive, it can be done on air. (Although one of the lads in the club planned it on a single 15 and came up with 30 bar left in his cylinder!!:eek: )
I have also been in contact with a diver from Montrose club who gave me information on another WW1 Sub UC41: http://uboat.net/wwi/boats/index.html?boat=UC+41 This is off the Tay Estuary.
Looking at the charts it sits in about 20 odd meters.
HTH
gogs
There is also the K Class subs, a bunch of British subs that sank in an unfortunate accident:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Isle_of_May
They sit in around the 50m or deeper mark, I think they are located past the Isle of May, heading out into the Forth.
gogs
Gogs,
who operates charters to the U74?
i'd be interested in organising a small trip there.
stewart
Don't know who operates to the U-74 but I imagine most of the local operators could be convinced? You could always ask Mark at the Divebunker I guess (although I've not dived with them so I can't say if they do or not!)
There are also the X-Craft round at North Berwick iirc you don't even need scuba to dive those if you time it right, just wellies ;) :D
Gogs,
who operates charters to the U74?
i'd be interested in organising a small trip there.
stewart
Not too sure how many charters are in that area, I only know of Gary at Divesafari. (Anyone on the sooth side of the Forth help me out here???)
We took our own Rib over there from Anstruther (benefits of a club with own Rib and compressor).
gogs
This is Garys site here, he is based in N. Berwick. This would be the nearest that I know off to the U74.
http://www.divesafariscotland.com/
Cheers
Gogs
This is Garys site here, he is based in N. Berwick. This would be the nearest that I know off to the U74.
http://www.divesafariscotland.com/
Cheers
Gogs
Although they appear to list the U74 as the U77, which it was thought to be before smarter people than me looked into the history...;)
We took our own Rib over there from Anstruther (benefits of a club with own Rib and compressor).
Did you have any problems locating the wreck, Gogs? I heard through the grapevine that it could be a bit tricky to find. :rolleyes:
I'm sure it would be an exciting dive. :cool:
The U33 is another sub mentioned within the thread. It sits roughly halfway between Lady Isle and Ailsa Craig in about 65m. There is some real history associated with this one.. Several key elements of the German Enigma machine were recovered from the survivors of the sinking, which had a profuond effect on the German war machine.
The sounder trace over the sub is unmistakable, could however be quite challenging to hook into ?.
I have been invited to dive the wreck, but am too chicken, or sensible to think about it on air. This really is a mixed gas dive. Maybe a dive for later this year if Stuart and I and some of the guys diving out of Troon get a bit more TDI training....
Good Diving Ahead.:rolleyes:
Maybe a dive for later this year if Stuart and I and some of the guys diving out of Troon get a bit more TDI training....
right behind you Jim...:D
yup, trimix for sure, air at that depth is really crossing the line.
but can you imagine what the narcosis would feel like, i guess around 10 stellas :D
anyway,
as a warm-up dive, in order to control your excitment on seeing a sub.
i have contacted divesafari & asked for details, prices etc.
if the u77 is a goer, im gonna organise a trip to it in the near future.
there will be one prerequisite upon booking a place, you must be quallified to 40m at least.
there will be 9 places, i will probably be taking 4 of them.
will let you know as soon as i do.
gogs,
big thanks for the info.
consider yourself exalted.
Did U33 recently and this is one wreck you should not do on air, even on Trimix it was difficult considering the viz was around 300mm!! Will be doing it in the spring, doing trimix training over the next few weekends. We are making some inquires about tech drawings for type7 u-boats, any info on where to obtain these would be helpful?
what was your run times & bottom times Jas?
if the u77 is a goer, im gonna organise a trip to it in the near future.
there will be one prerequisite upon booking a place, you must be quallified to 40m at least.
I'm sure you're more than capable Stewart but a word of caution for any others thinking to start going a little deeper...
The U74 (the one around 3.5miles off Dunbar, used to be thought to be U77/UB77) is a serious dive, I logged just over 42m on it and tbh I wouldn't consider it with less than the twinset and deco pony I used for it. She is deep and dark! We ran 18 minutes on the wreck with a total dive time of 43 minutes... and that on an area open to the proper Firth of Forth tides, get it right and it's ok, miss the window and....
Joking aside, please approach this one with caution ladies and gents!
I haven't seen the stern however I'm told it is separated from the fore section and at least one mine chute is open suggesting she was lost to a minelaying accident.
Also you'll find details of the sub on U-Boat net and either on there or on U-boat Waffe Net there is a full crew list. She is/was a UE Class oceangoing minelayer and if anyone has any info I'd LOVE to get a copy as she is a little interest of mine ;)
Oh, and yes, it's a great dive if you plan it and do it right :D
It is a war grave as all hands were lost on her so the usual courtesies apply.
Sorry to sound like a public service announcement but a colleague(sp?) and good friend was killed diving on a U-boat near the Forth and I feel sort of bound to point out that these dives need a lot of respect, if only for his memory.
Stay safe out there,
Smudge
Sombre words smudge, thanks for the heads-up.
How was the viz?
If anyone else has info on diving this sub, I would be most interested.
Viz was around 4m iirc, but that was many months ago!
I'm very keen to do her again myself sometime when time/funds etc allow. If anyone finds a location for the stern section I'd be really keen to have a look at that as well ;)
Stew, Bottom time was 16mins, total run time 75mins, this was allowing for some extra deco. sitting in 58m.
Big thanks to everyone who has sent me info on this subject
& apologies to Daytona12 for inadvertently hi-jacking your post.:o
not at all stewart i enjoyed the chat all too deep for me at the moment tho.
stevie1262
14-01-07, 22:32
There are several in the Forth, as previously mentioned there is the UE74 off Dunbar, I have the plots for it, ill put a guide on the dive sites index soon.
It is (depending on the tide) 37-39m to the conning tower and 42-45m to the seabed, she is sitting at an angle of about 30degrees with the stern either missing or sunk in the Mud aft of the Deck Gun, small Sub, great dive.
U714 is a type VII C U-Boat sunk in 1945 off Eyemouth, found last year, depth is 60m to the seabed, so a mixed Gas Dive. Excellent Dive Lying on her Starboard Side intact. U12 Sunk off the May Island, not found yet, we have a position, depth maybe 40-50m. H11 British Sub sunk while under Tow, lying in 70m off Eyemouth...still to be confirmed.
There is also supposed to be another U-Boat further up the Forth, not found yet though....still looking !.
Hope this helps, UE74 is really the only Dive within Sports Diving/Air limits.
Another Good Dive Boat for Eyemouth, Dunbar, May Island is Iain Easingwood
he has the positions for U714 and the H11. He also knows the K Class positions and has taken Divers to the UE74.
http://www.marine-quest.co.uk/
Any more info message me
stevie1262
14-01-07, 22:52
Apologies I am a bit out of synch on the messages...bit woolly due to diving in Tea today in Loch Long...great!
Jas, I have a set of plans for a type VIIC U-Boat I can E-Mail them to you,
you can view them and zoom in on the PC or print them off , quality is very good
anyone who wants a copy message me offline with your e-mail address and Ill send on.
Stevie
:p
pm sent from this callsign as well :D
Deep Seeker
19-03-07, 18:44
You will need twins for this dive, it can be done on air. (Although one of the lads in the club planned it on a single 15 and came up with 30 bar left in his cylinder!!:eek: )
gogs
I know this is an old thread now... but just want to correct my esteemed diving buddy Captain Nimmo... unless I'm mistaken, the diver who planned the U74 dive on a 15 litre was me and I didn't surface with 30 bar. I had a little less than 90 bar with a total run time of 44mins and a bottom time of 18mins. I would however still recommend this dive is done on twins from a redundancy point of view.
I have the coordinates of the sub for those who are interested by the way. It is normally marked by a white buoy however anyway.
Tally ho!
Nick
an old thread perhaps, but by coincidence it has taken this long to get a shot at it.
the third time lucky trip is scheduled for this sunday & at present there is one place left on it.
can i tempt you deep seeker?
Deep Seeker
19-03-07, 19:43
Hi Stewart,
I am more than tempted and would love to join you, however I have other diving commitments over Port Appin way. I very much hope you get a good dive though as I know the weather has been rubbish.
Would be nice to get a dive review if you get out to her.
Good luck!
Nick
no worries Nick.
a dive report will be on the forum soon after im sure.
all going well i will also have it on video.
by the way, intors. are generally in 'jimmys pub' but welcome to conger alley nonetheless:)
stewart
Deep Seeker
20-03-07, 01:26
Seeing as I'm brand new to this fine forum (it looks very impressive) what am I missing with respect to Jimmy's Pub? But thank you for the welcome :)
Anyhoo... I'm sure Gogs will tell me when he gets into 'work' tomorrow. :D
Cheers
Nick
:D He means nip into the part of the forum known as Jimmy's pub and introduce yourself you ignorant blighter ;)
Mines a lager mate :p
Seeing as I'm brand new to this fine forum (it looks very impressive) what am I missing with respect to Jimmy's Pub? But thank you for the welcome :)
Anyhoo... I'm sure Gogs will tell me when he gets into 'work' tomorrow. :D
Cheers
Nick
Yep,
in first at 'work' to log on to the internet for the day....
Good to see you Nick. Sorry about the mistake on the contents on the 15l, was a good dive anyway (what I can remember of it)...
gogs
[edit] Mines a Guinness btw.....