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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/04/20/martin-clunes-tells-of-panic-attack-ordeal-on-scottish-diving-trip-86908-21291121/
Interesting the way they call him an "experienced diver" and then in the next paragraph add "... who had only ever dived abroad" ...
Good that he wasn't harmed obviously.
:rolleyes:
Warm water divers :rolleyes:
scottish-diver
21-04-09, 15:52
It's only in 10m max apparently.
Doesn't say much for his training does it?
Plus his over dramatic account of his experience isn't exactly going to be good for promoting scottish diving to other soft warm water divers.
Fool.
It's only in 10m max apparently.
Serious??? :eek:
Fool. LMAO :D ... luvvies, eh!
http://www.divemagazine.co.uk/news/article.asp?uan=4096
8m ...!
Surely some mistake ...!
he had to be "pulled to the service" ... and then said he was worried about getting bent ... :D
FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:
Maybe he should consider sticking to swimming pools.
scottish-diver
21-04-09, 17:42
I think i've sussed the cause of his incident.
Reread the article and seen this - "Viewers will see him frantically pulling at his breathing mask and signalling for help underwater."
I'm guessing he was using a full face mask with comms for the first time because his dive was recorded for the TV. He has probably only used a normal scuba mask on his trips abroad.
The full face mask is strange at first but easy enough to get used to.
It being his first cold water and low ambient light dive compounded with the use of a new piece of major equipment and his already worried state of mind led to him panicking.
If this is the case then i take it back - he isn't a fool :D
If this is the case then i take it back - he isn't a fool :D
Although everyone has had the usual blurb about not task overloading and trying new kit in a familiar environment, etc - so first dive here - drysuit? - maybe full face mask, cold water, darker than the average Caribbean dive, didn't seem like he'd been on many wrecks - could he have added any more new or unknown variants to this dive? :rolleyes:
Anyway, there won't be any more Men Behaving Badly so no harm done either way. :) and he's alright of course ;)
scottish-diver
21-04-09, 19:21
Although everyone has had the usual blurb about not task overloading and trying new kit in a familiar environment, etc - so first dive here - drysuit? - maybe full face mask, cold water, darker than the average Caribbean dive, didn't seem like he'd been on many wrecks - could he have added any more new or unknown variants to this dive? :rolleyes:
Anyway, there won't be any more Men Behaving Badly so no harm done either way. :) and he's alright of course ;)
Yeah you're correct - so he is a fool after all :D
Would love to know the name of the company who supplied the safety divers.
if he was media diving he would have certainly been using a full face mask (FFM) with comms.
if you have never used a FFM before they do take a bit of getting used to, not quite so easy to equalise, not so easy to bail out as the bail out is plumbed into the same mask so you cant have a problem with the mask and you most certainly do not remove it.
if the 'dial-a-breath' (nicknamed, dial-a-death in the industry) is not adjusted properly, the air delivery can be lower than required so its a bit like the breathing into a paper bag feeling.. only your under the water and its starting to creep into the mask as the pressure is low.
sounds more like a case of inexperience than experienced diver here to me...!
who bricked it...;)
i dont have television where i am at the moment so if anyone watches it on the telly (sky+) and can burn a copy id be most greatfull of seeing it.
home in 4 weeks... TF! :D
laughing my ass off here!
Not at poor Martin who had a panic attack, but at some of the narrow minded and pathetic comments in this thread.
Still, we cant all be super duper divers, can we?
laughing my ass off here!
Not at poor Martin who had a panic attack, but at some of the narrow minded and pathetic comments in this thread.
Still, we cant all be super duper divers, can we?
I agree with you on that 1
scottish-diver
23-04-09, 15:34
laughing my ass off here!
Not at poor Martin who had a panic attack, but at some of the narrow minded and pathetic comments in this thread.
Still, we cant all be super duper divers, can we?
maybe you can teach us then.
laughing my ass off here!
Not at poor Martin who had a panic attack, but at some of the narrow minded and pathetic comments in this thread.
Still, we cant all be super duper divers, can we?
I'll consider my wrists slapped then :D
scottish-diver
23-04-09, 19:49
I'll consider my wrists slapped then :D
Me too but maybe he'll give us an all expenses paid trip to Australia to teach us how to dive properly so we can become the super-duper-divers he thinks we think we are. :D
If he does then i'll happily let him call me all the names under the sun.
This programme was on TV on Sunday, which I had recorded on Sky+. Haven't had a chance to watch the whole programme (last weeks was fairly interesting - watching them lob the live undersized crabs back from the catch only to be eaten defenceless by the fish on the way down :( ) but did make an effort to watch the dive section. Poor old Martin did say before the dive that he hadn't dived in cold water and hadn't dived and was anxious about being on a wreck (entaglement). He dived in what appeared a thick wet or semi-dry suit - so no learning dry suit issues. Equally he didn't appear affected by the cold at the end, so that didn't look like the problem either.
The underwater shots were in very clear (for Scotland anyway) and light water and, although I didn't catch the depth, it didn't look much.
As suggested he was wearing a full face mask with comms and I think that, possibly along with the wreck issue and, compared to diving Barbados, fairly murky conditions caused the panic.
It was all a bit of a shame as he didn't actually get to use the comms in any case, just started to say he was a bit worried and panicked, another diver came over and they surfaced. He was then filmed at the surface hanging off the boat, all signs of panic gone, relaxed and chatting and looking perfectly comfortable in his wet suit!
Pity, it looked like a nice wee dive!
Mr Flibble
13-05-09, 15:59
laughing my ass off here!
Not at poor Martin who had a panic attack, but at some of the narrow minded and pathetic comments in this thread.
Still, we cant all be super duper divers, can we?
HUH warm water divers!!!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D
ok, I'm taking the bait.
how many people on this forum are qualified Ice Divers?
cold water pussies
ok, I'm taking the bait.
how many people on this forum are qualified Ice Divers?
cold water pussies
Can't say I can see the relevance of this in this discussion. What has ice diving got to do with it :confused:
If I moved to another country then they'd be able to snort and look down on me for only having dived abroad :rolleyes:
I'm guessing he was using a full face mask with comms for the first time because his dive was recorded for the TV. He has probably only used a normal scuba mask on his trips abroad.
I used to own an AGA and it really is an unpleasant way to dive. If you aren't used to it then the biggest problem is actually trying to equalise, it doesn't take much of a descent to give real ear pain, combine that with strange breathing, cold, dark, a drysuit...
laughing my ass off here!
Not at poor Martin who had a panic attack, but at some of the narrow minded and pathetic comments in this thread.
Couldn't agree more. Nobody ever dives beyond their skill level or gets out of their depth... :rolleyes:
INobody ever dives beyond their skill level or gets out of their depth... :rolleyes:
not round here mate, too many super-duper cold water divers all trained up to the max!
So before we descend into yah boo sucks I'm better/more understanding/moretrained/whatever...:rolleyes:
Can we conclude:
He was diving outwith his comfort zone,
It's a shame the bloke had a panic attack,
It's good no-one was hurt,
With 20/20 hindsight he should have had more build up before attempting such different diving,
It's a shame he's (afaik) decided not to continue "cold" water (or wreck?) diving,
Everyone makes mistakes,
No-one is perfect,
Cold water / warm water, it's not "better" (EITHER!) just different and not everyone will like both, or indeed either. But both can kill you, often in subtly different ways.
Finally...
Every time someone else, or one of us, c@*ks up and survives the experience we should thank our lucky stars, learn what we can from the incident and try to avoid it happening to anyone else.
Any more?
(From Smudge who regularly c@*ks up but hopefully uses the experience and training passed on from older and sometimes better divers to ensure the c@*kups are embarrassing rather than damaging!)
What actually annoyed me about the whole event was the press coverage of it beforehand. The actual TV footage didn't make a fuss about it.
He was referred to as an 'experienced' diver. While he may be experienced in warm waters, he obviously is not experienced in cold water and that was where he was diving - therefore not, in my view, a correct statement.
Also, saying stuff like this:- "Your instinct is to get back to the surface as fast as you can, which is the worst thing you can do because you get the bends" is not helpful.
As for the actual dive, it was in 8m, looked beautifully clear and was very light - it wasn't as if he had been taken onto the Wallachia. I was surprised however to see him diving in a wetsuit and no gloves - must have been chilly!
I don't find it helpful for the press to get hold of diving incidents like this one and make a huge deal out of them. It's not good coverage for the sport and definitely not helpful for divers whose other halfs/mothers (in my case) then hear about it and start getting worried every time we go diving.
dive granny
15-05-09, 12:30
Well said Smudge. I think that sums it up nicely and I now think that should be an end to it.
... and I prefer to see myself as a fanny rather than a pussy ... just for the record
although i probably am a bit of a pussy as well ...
;)
not round here mate, too many super-duper cold water divers all trained up to the max!
:rolleyes: Get up out the wrong side of the bed Andy? :D