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Hi folks , thought some of you may like to know that XXXXXXXX are running a Nitrox course in Feb of next year , either on Sat 7th or Sat 21st.
Its the 'basic' PADI EANx for up to 40% mix.
Cost is £45 which is darned good value in my 'umble opinion.
Maybe see some of you there :D
Cheers JB.
All done now and can happily recommend it.
Well presented and a very nice lunch provided as well !
Not the easiest place to find ( Ralphs house ) , but that's what God invented SatNav for.
Congrats to fellow C.A. member Robert who also attended.
Cheers , JB.
No Bubbles
14-02-09, 09:59
Did the course include the PADI Nitrox crew pack (nitrox book, two slates 32% & 36% and the EAD slate) and certification with PADI?????
NorthernTechnical
14-02-09, 10:58
The maths dont seem to add up, and is it a Dry course. I prefer wet one's more value for money:D
dive granny
14-02-09, 16:13
I wondered how there was such a big price difference. What do you get, or not get, for the money. It is confusing to people like me who don't know much about these things.:confused:
The maths dont seem to add up, and is it a Dry course. I prefer wet one's more value for money:D
I wondered how there was such a big price difference. What do you get, or not get, for the money. It is confusing to people like me who don't know much about these things.:confused:
basic nitrox, through padi, no longer requires any practical dives so its a few hours paperwork and lectures, along with gas calculating etc...
Basically a this is the optimum gas for the dive you plan to do and u must not go deeper than Xm / ppo2 1.4.
IIRC padi doesnt address deco, accelerated deco, deco theory of bubble models etc which most of the technical nitrox courses do.
Basic nitrox is now a standard module in the bsac OD syllabus i think, might be sports diver.
HTH
Hi folks.
It's the basic PADI EANx 40 course without any dives , which is about the norm these days I believe.
You get a paper copy of the 32 and 36% dive planner and the EAD table and a loan copy of the manual.
I guess the thinking behind it is that you won't use the 'slates' as we all have dive computers and you'll never read the manual again once you have your ticket , so why bother with them.
Personally I agree with that , basic Nitrox isn't rocket science and once you know the fundamentals you're sorted,
It's not a 'techy' course and never pretends to be , it's step one and if people want to take their skills further then those option are open through a number of agencies.
Cheers JB.
You get a paper copy of the 32 and 36% dive planner and the EAD table and a loan copy of the manual.
Ouch a wee breach of padi standards there :rolleyes: i guess your knowledge reviews were photocopy's too?
ooooh naughty naughty very naughty as a PADI pro a wee bit Quaility Assurence may be in order
Personally I agree with that , basic Nitrox isn't rocket science and once you know the fundamentals you're sorted,
It's not a 'techy' course and never pretends to be , it's step one and if people want to take their skills further then those option are open through a number of agencies.
Cheers JB.
sorry, realise when i re-read my post it sounded quite dismissive of basic nitrox. :o
Only meant to show how much deeper other techie courses go into the topic and hence why there is such a price range on nitrox courses as per dive granny's question.
Also that if your staying with single tank diving then basic nitrox is all you need and you'll notice a fair difference in safety factors, allowed bottom time without deco etc.
dive granny
15-02-09, 00:06
Thanks for the clarification. DGx:)
Canadadiver
15-02-09, 01:20
basic nitrox, through padi, no longer requires any practical dives so its a few hours paperwork and lectures, along with gas calculating etc...
Basically a this is the optimum gas for the dive you plan to do and u must not go deeper than Xm / ppo2 1.4.
IIRC padi doesnt address deco, accelerated deco, deco theory of bubble models etc which most of the technical nitrox courses do.
Basic nitrox is now a standard module in the bsac OD syllabus i think, might be sports diver.
HTH
I vote this the best answer! Many CA members are PADI instructors, so correct me if I'm wrong, but within PADI curriculum there's a general aversion to decompression diving and therefore, the PADI EANx course is only an introduction to Nitrox use. However, having recently completed the PADI Enriched Air Diver cert. myself, I'd say it's a great course and PADI has done well to embrace this aspect of diving. I think that it educates divers in the fundamentals of mixed gas diving (partial pressures, oxygen toxicity and gas mixing technologies and techniques [depending on the instructor]).
My partner's taking her BSAC Sport Diver (2nd BSAC level) course at the moment and I can confirm that Enriched Air (Nitrox) theory (up to 40%O2 - just like PADI) is a part of the Ocean Diver (1st BSAC level) course (a very recent addition).
The maths dont seem to add up, and is it a Dry course. I prefer wet one's more value for money:D
I agree. Although my course was all on paper (plastic slates, photocopied knowledge reviews and all...), the students in my class got a shop discount on our first Nitrox fill and we went out and dived the plans we submitted for the final course review (after we'd already passed the course). But really... I think I just want to move on to Trimix and Extended Range and bid PADI a fond adieu.
Sorry guys..It is not acceptable for PADI Instructors to be teaching PADI courses with PHOTO COPIES of course materiels and LENDING out manuals. By doing this they are breaking PADI standards. It messes thing up for real PADI Pros Who Do proper full courses and include all PADI course Materials. It shows Their willing to cut corners WHAT ELSE ARE THEY MISSING OUT TO SAVE A FEW QUID?
NorthernTechnical
15-02-09, 12:28
I totally agree with Craig, My ITDA manual costs £25 a pop. How can I compete and regards to entry level Nitrox course and techy Nitrox course there is not such a thing this is a myth I can assure, because our Nx course is also konwn as Recreational Nitrox. I offer PADI Nx course wet and dry and prefer wet, all materials supplied. I offer ITDA Nx courses wet only and with a lovely manual and lots of maths.....hope this helps cheers
I've done a few PADI course's and not had a Crew Pack on any of them apart from my PADI Nitrox course, I got everything included in the price of EURO 110, 3 years ago in Tenerife, with Safari Divers, was a bargain. All the rest have been done with a loan of a book and photocopies which helps keep costs down and saves some trees. The instructors however, were all very good and I think that's the important part.
PADI standards changed on 1st jan 2006,students must now OWN there own copy of the manual,for future reference etc.
I'd better just keep the manuals you gave me then
from the padi pro's site
Required and Recommended Courses Materials
PADI Tightens Requirements Related to Diving Course Quality
Effective 1 January, 2006
The worldwide PADI organization prides itself on having the most educationally valid diving courses available. A cornerstone to this claim is the quality of its educational training materials when used by student divers; the educational model includes long-term review of key information. Effective 1 January 2006, PADI Members must ensure that student divers and leadership-level course candidates have, in their possession, a personal set of current materials (as defined in the attached lists of required materials) for study and use during the course and for reference afterward.
Since use of PADI materials is currently a requirement in several PADI courses and most PADI course attendees already use them, this new standard simply validates and better defines a common practice. If the materials listed are not available in a language understood by the student, the standard doesn’t apply. This standards change affects the International Resort and Retailer Associations membership standards as well as individual course standards for the following programs: PADI Scuba Diver/Open Water Diver course, Adventures in Diving program (Adventure Diver/Advanced Open Water Diver), Rescue Diver course, Divemaster course, Instructor Development Course (Assistant Instructor course and Open Water Scuba Instructor program).
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Puts current materials in their hands.
Using new materials increases course quality and adds professionalism (as opposed to libraried, worn and outdated materials which sacrifice professionalism and quality).
Makes it possible for learning to continue after the course by providing a resource when questions arise from new diving situations.
Allows them to refresh and reinforce previously-learned information to aid in long-term retention.
Provides references to build on for continuing education courses.
Materials displayed in a personal library encourage divers to seek further adventure and experience.
Leadership level candidates not only need materials during their own courses, but also need these materials to reference after certification while supervising divers and teaching courses themselves.
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Emergency Oxygen Provider
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National Geographic Open Water Diver
National Geographic Specialty Diver
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PADI Open Water Diver Manual* or Multimedia
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PADI Open Water Diver Video*
PADI Log Book
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Scuba Tune-up guidebook
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Digital Underwater Photographer
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National Geographic Diver DVD
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PADI money making machine is in overdrive then :D. Anyway got my cards I needed from PADI so that's me finished with them now anyway. ITDA will now be getting my cash !
Errr that will be You and Ian then :D
PADI money making machine is in overdrive then :D.
I couldn't possibly comment on that other than to say if they really were that concerned about us all having a copy of the course materials for 'future reference' why not give us all a copy for free in PDF format.
More useful than a paper manual and much more environmentally friendly.
if they really were that concerned about us all having a copy of the course materials for 'future reference' why not give us all a copy for free in PDF format.
Quite simply PADI training materials are second to none and cost money to design and develope so you aint gonna get them for free.
Quite simply PADI training materials are second to none and cost money to design and develope so you aint gonna get them for free.
Could not have put that better myself
Hmm, I think it's pretty bad if Padi professionals photocopy stuff so they can undercut the market on course prices. Mind you, when we did our nitrox with Padi we didn't have the basic air tables and had to buy them - as the basic one doesn't come with the nitrox course - they assume you got it on open water. At SSAC we use Bulhmann.
Anyway, I went to buy two and it was about £15 each - ouch. So I bought one and photocopied it.
When we did nitrox, we had to do the dives too. Cost us £145 each for the course which was pretty pricey but a means to an end as we were flying out to the Maldives a week later where they had free nitrox. Having said we did the dives, we had to do the second one on air because the dive centre ran out of O2 clean tins. :rolleyes: Hmm, EANx 21 anyone?
Canadadiver
16-02-09, 14:11
Hmm, I think it's pretty bad if Padi professionals photocopy stuff so they can undercut the market on course prices....
Hmm, EANx 21 anyone?
I agree with the comments about photocopying and just want to clarify that I was provided with all the proper course books and slates. I filled out my knowledge review on a photocopy from my book because I want to keep the answers blank (so I can go back and test myself, if I need a reminder). Some PADI centres make you tear out the original from the book and fill it in, which may prevent reuse of old manuals by new students (a bad idea for so many reasons).
And thanks for the reminder: my computer's been diving on EAN21 for ages now, but I've just switched the model back to "Air" :).
I did my Nitrox course a few months before they changed and it involved completing dives. The instructor told us about the changes coming up and knew us very well, either both dives or the second we just went in on our own with the instructor checking our calculations beforehand and after. I think it was about the £125, and if we had waited a few months I think it would have dropped considerably. But I have never completed a PADI course where I have not been provided with a manual and if this was not offered as part of the course I wouldn't start the course!
When we did the dives, we had a trainee divemaster taking us in. He had trained with my club and had been a sport diver trainee at the same time as me (though I qualified before him:D) Anyway, he sped off leaving us to follow him and swam swam swam and swam until we got back to shore. My logbook says I saw 'mud' on that dive.
On the second dive, GG, me and another duy doing the course started to get kitted up and were just about to go in when the trainee DM said 'wait a minute, you can't go in without a DM to make sure you're ok'. I looked at him and said 'oh I'm sure we'll be fine' and headed in. We actually saw some stuff on that dive.
The nitrox instructor was too busy teaching an open water course to bother with us so we just felt left to our own devices.
stafforddiver
16-02-09, 14:43
I think that actually doing the diving on a Basic introduction to nitrox course is fairly pointelss.
Having a go with changing your computer to see how that works and also analysing a mix is something which you should have a go before being certified.
BSAC did its basic nitrox course for years like that, once your at Advanced Nitrox level, you had to do a couple of dives, which were all about skills and controlling stops, and that was important.
Nitrox is not rocket science, there are a few important principals, if you remember that, then you should be fine. The basics are in Ocean Diver and Sports diver now incudes nitrox as well.
As to commenting about a commercial operators practices on an open forum when in effect in competition, I'm not sure I would do that as if it turned out to be worng, you could be seen to be being defamatory. Just my take on matters.
NorthernTechnical
16-02-09, 15:28
Calm down guys......dragging on a bit, we all do little cheats from time to time.;)
Less talking and more diving.
Please excuse my antics on the ice diving trip......good fun:D:D:D
Cheers
Ian
Mr Flibble
16-02-09, 15:36
we all do little cheats from time to time.;)
Could Wednesday evening be one of those times? :D (Deco Nitrox exam) :eek:
Not a chance...if i cannae get away with it none of u's lot cannae either
:D:D:D
NorthernTechnical
16-02-09, 15:43
Closed book then:p
Could Wednesday evening be one of those times? :D (Deco Nitrox exam) :eek:
Take supplies with you. I was physically and mentally drained at the end of the 3 hours :p
Yogi Diver
16-02-09, 17:52
Could Wednesday evening be one of those times? :D (Deco Nitrox exam) :eek:
Exam? Wednesday?:eek:
Oh Sh*t!! I'd better dig out that Nitrox worksheet.:o;)
:D
Exam? Wednesday?:eek:
Oh Sh*t!! I'd better dig out that Nitrox worksheet.:o;)
:D
I've got the answers :D:rolleyes:
all bribes welcome :D
3 Hours, no way, can't take that long
3 Hours, no way, can't take that long
You want to bet,ma heid was nipping by the end of it.
How many questions ?
I did my Higher Maths in 30 mins and got an A can't be that hard
stafforddiver
16-02-09, 22:52
Sounds like you come out with a Bsc (Hons) at the end of the qulaification :p
Good luck guys :) Take a pencil for working out, plain paper and a calculator by the sound of it.
Maybe something strong to help might be good, I think its called single malt ;)
Cheers,
G
Mr Flibble
16-02-09, 23:55
I did my Higher Maths in 30 mins and got an A can't be that hard
I failed my computer mathematics exam at college and we even managed a copy of the exam paper 1 week before the exam. :confused: Didn't even understand the questions let alone work out the answers. :rolleyes:
dive granny
16-02-09, 23:57
It's 44 years since I did mine:eek: Some of you werent even born then;):D
3 Hours, no way, can't take that long
depends how quick you are i guess.
think i did around 30 hours of theory for mine and the exam took all afternoon.. then i had the other exam...:rolleyes:
best of luck.:D
It became mandatory in 2006 that all students on PADI courses run by PADI members must be supplied with an official PADI manual relevent to the course being undertaken. It is not optional and if you are not supplied with one then the provider is breaking PADI standards and not delivering a quality course set to the high standard in which PADI have designed and spent millions on reserching and producing these high quality manuals for.
NorthernTechnical
23-02-09, 14:01
I have been a PADI instructor for 11 years and the BOLD fonts in PADI stuff means it is mandatory.
I think this should stop now, and at the end of the day if you copy something it is copywrite theft...look at all the dodgy characters in the barras, selling DVD's.
I pay £25 for every time I reproduce an ITDA manual, this covers the copyrite of the manual, and if guys want to undercut me thats fair enough.
ITDA Nitrox is a wet course and that £45 would never cover costs for fuel, manual and cert. No way am I selling myself short. ITDA pride theirselves in Quality not quantity.............
Divers are tight and will always go for the bargains:D:D:D
NorthernTechnical
23-02-09, 14:05
Oh and I forgot you get free cakes and coffee on my course and sometimes free Irn Bru, ask Mr Flibble
Reet had a good clean up. Put the handbags away. The fact is that PADI require manuals to be issued on the courses highlighted in Loudy's post weither or not you agree with the way it has been worded. I'd like to think we can all agree on that :rolleyes:
Be nice! :p