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Have a butchers at this (scary stuff)
http://www.yorkshire-divers.com/forums/dive-medicine-fitness/72801-arty21s-adventure-cuba.html?highlight=cuba
He has the cheek to have the thumbs up sign next to his post :confused:
Aye, not very good. It is a bit too easy when you are new to this to just do as your told, but did he not remember any of his lessons. Don't know what the rules are with all the agencies, but 38m on dive 16! Well, at least he's still alive.
Although it may be more common than you'd think. One of my friends (who I've never dived with) was taken to c40m in Jamaica just after he'd passed his OW! :eek:
Yogi Diver
09-06-08, 08:08
I was diving with a newly qualified "Advanced":rolleyes: Open Water Diver in Cyprus who had learned to dive the week before, then went straight on to do his AOW. I asked him how deep he had been and he told me 45 metres!
With an American Instructor, we did it again, (the bottom of the Zenobia) and he hit 50 bar when we were back at 20 metres but still a fair distance from the shotline. He signalled to the Yank who basically ignored him.:eek:
I saw him watching his gauge continually and breathing for his country. He had been well drilled by the Yank that it is a sin to surface with less than 50 bar left and was now starting to get VERY concerned, which, as we know, makes you breathe harder, which makes your air go down faster, which makes you more concerned, which makes you breathe harder............:eek:
I signalled for him to follow me and started to ascend whilst still making for the shot line. (30M plus viz makes life so much easier.:D) We hit the shot line at 5 metres with 20 bar left in his tank so I gave him my Octopus for the 3 min safety stop and let him see I still had over 100 bar left so he could breathe all he liked.:)
The Yank meanwhile had continued at 20 metres to the bottom of the shot and was just coming up the shot line. Back on the boat, he commented that he had 30 bar left and asked why Andy had been sharing my air.:eek:
I kinda lost the rag at this point and in front of about 20 other divers and Instructors from 3 other Dive Centres told him he wasn't fit to be an Instructor and was going to kill someone if he didn't improve his air consumption and/or carry bigger tanks.
Last time I was in Cyprus, his Dive Centre was shut down. Can't think why.:rolleyes:
Have a butchers at this (scary stuff)
http://www.yorkshire-divers.com/forums/dive-medicine-fitness/72801-arty21s-adventure-cuba.html?highlight=cuba
He has the cheek to have the thumbs up sign next to his post :confused:
Nice one Loudy.
That is F'n unbelievable.
I was about to rant off about how can anyone dive whith no knowledge whatsoever of DCI , but looking back , half the folk on my boat in Egypt had no clue whatsoever.
I take it this is not part of PADI OW training ??
Poor bu99er though !
I was diving with a newly qualified "Advanced":rolleyes: Open Water Diver in Cyprus who had learned to dive the week before, then went straight on to do his AOW. I asked him how deep he had been and he told me 45 metres!
That's crazy , how can you be an 'advanced' anything after just 2 weeks :eek:
I was about to rant off about how can anyone dive whith no knowledge whatsoever of DCI , but looking back , half the folk on my boat in Egypt had no clue whatsoever.
I take it this is not part of PADI OW training ?? - er, no, it's definately part of the training.
(30M plus viz makes life so much easier.:D) - I think that's part of the problem, good viz all round, can still see the suirface, it'll be fine. Back here no one (well maybe not :rolleyes:) wanders down to 40m without thinking - it's dark and scary down there!
Lizardland
09-06-08, 09:14
Nice one Loudy.
That is F'n unbelievable.
I was about to rant off about how can anyone dive whith no knowledge whatsoever of DCI , but looking back , half the folk on my boat in Egypt had no clue whatsoever.
I take it this is not part of PADI OW training ??
Poor bu99er though !
It's easy to blame the geezer involved but the dive guide is at least as much to blame and what were the two "dive professionals" doing? How many of us would at the same stage i.e. feck all dive experience, have done the same "trust me" dive? There is no excuse for sending anyone through a cave on their own.
IIRC the open water course does (briefly) cover DCI. The advanced open water course I think is the single worst course PADI does. O/W, Rescue & Divemaster are all very good courses but the Advanced doesn't have a massive teaching element, it's an "experience" course and very much dependant on how interested (or not) the instructor is as to how good or bad the course is. I've seen a lot of Adv courses run as just a series of 5 guided dives.
Cheers,
Stuart
Dive Tramp
09-06-08, 10:06
38metres on your 16th dive? No thanks! What happened to Depth Progression?
Loved your phrase " Trust me, dive", hmmm, the only person I trust is me! That way it's only ever MY fault I've got a " funny tingling sensation down my legs and an all over feeling of paralysis"!
What NO O2 on board? :eek:
I thought PADI taught only No-stop Diving? Sorry if I've misunderstood.
Lucky chap tho', could have been soooo much worse...:o
Bl@@dy hell, that makes for some harrowing reading. Feel like saying a few things but will keep them to myself for fear of offending!
Yogi Diver
09-06-08, 11:49
Bl@@dy hell, that makes for some harrowing reading. Feel like saying a few things but will keep them to myself for fear of offending!
Offend away. B*st*rds deserve it!
You can't really blame PADI, just the so called " PADI professionals" who did NOT follow PADI guidelines. If you read the PADI manual, it is quite clear on the depth limitations and you need to do the "Speciality" to go deep.
Offend away. B*st*rds deserve it!
I will try not offend by only placing quotes in and not commenting, just some smillies. Anyone who knows me should understand my thought process behind these quotes:
I used most of my air in about 25 mins and ended up back on the boat. Second dive was to about 15 m and all very civil. Nothing exiting but good practice after a long lay off.:eek: Long lay off, with 16 dives in total?
I found out later that we had been at 38.5m:eek:
At this point I was very scared and very paralized....and was even joking about the situation. General consensus was I had over exerted:confused:
I'm not a very experienced diver and know little of bends cause and effects. But I'm not a stupid person either:rolleyes:
As this happened on tuesday and I have been to 40000 feet since then, another 8 hours aint going to kill me.:eek::eek:
What made me doubt dcs is the fact that others did the same dive and more with no effect....And if its dcs why me and not the others???:rolleyes:
Ok i'll phone them now. May not be a good idea after a bottle of wine ;)
Diving is out of the question again ever:-( Permanant damage to spinal nerves that control the temperature sensors in the lower leg.
Glad to hear you're "ok" John.
Yogi Diver
09-06-08, 13:19
OK, the guy's ignorance clearly knows no bounds but the blame must still surely lie with whoever trained him and let him do this dive which was clearly way outside his ability?
Steve,
I couldnt agree more, but there are limits to how much you follow the professionals. Remember no-one is responsible for you except yourself.
If I had been doing my 17th dive and didnt know what depth I was at on a 30m+ dive......
Although once he had explained his symptoms to the so-called professionals, I would have thought DCS would have been the first thing to come to mind and immediately been placed on Oxygen. I would suggest that although some stupidy was involved the guy must have an opportunity for a claim against the dive centre for not treating him there and then. I really did think this was a wind-up for reactions, I dont surf YD at all and dont know the sort of people on there, so would rather my comments remain in here.
I too blame the "dive professionals" he was with as the poor sod was just following them,they should have known better and as for palming him off saying he was over exerted :mad:(fear of being sued perhaps)
Before we all jump on PADI though remember these dives happened in cuba where there are no PADI centres so these professionals could have been NAUI/cmas etc.
I really did think this was a wind-up for reactions, I dont surf YD at all and dont know the sort of people on there, so would rather my comments remain in here.
Like yourself Chris when i first read it i thought it was a wind up (there was only one reply at the time)
reading the guys post i get the sence there was no sence of urangcy in calling the dive doctor? i duno just the feeling i got, but diving that deep with so lil dives under his weight belt, just madness.
iv done my aow and that was my deepest dive to date. iv done 23 dives so far and the deepest iv been is about 23-24m (farne islands at the weekend there- very good fun!)
I thought that was bizarre. I read the entire thread and for most of it suspected a wind-up. I can't fathom (if you pardon the expression) how someone could be that naive. Is it something to do with the culture of resort diving :confused:
Weird.
Personally I strongly suspect a wind up attention seeker is playing with peoples minds. I don’t think that he would have survived the flight back home with a cola blood stream.
Something just doesn't sound right; maybe I am just a skeptic. A good yarn anway.
Personally I strongly suspect a wind up attention seeker is playing with peoples minds. I don’t think that he would have survived the flight back home with a cola blood stream.
Something just doesn't sound right; maybe I am just a skeptic. A good yarn anway.
yeah ... Occam's Razor etc ....
Personally I strongly suspect a wind up attention seeker is playing with peoples minds. I don’t think that he would have survived the flight back home with a cola blood stream.
Something just doesn't sound right; maybe I am just a skeptic. A good yarn anway.
I think this chap's just trolling looking to get some reaction either that or he's a fecking arse as are the folk he was diving with. Seen DM's like that in Barbados, when we were diving the SS Stavronikita, they took a chap who had done discover scuba in the morning on the dive and took him to the prop at 40m and he went down and straight up like a rocket. I was surprised to see him when we finished our dive.
Before we all jump on PADI though remember these dives happened in cuba where there are no PADI centres so these professionals could have been NAUI/cmas etc.
Loudy is right, PADI dont operate in Cuba.
i have dived there before (bay of pigs) and i can relate to how this guys dive went.
pretty sure he used the same CMAS dive centre i used:rolleyes: as mine was not that much different.
so glad i didnt own a computer then, if i did, i might have known my depth and i could have been bent...!
must look back my log book/s, IIRC i think i was on around dive 8/10 and i probably hit around 38m....:rolleyes:
Assuming this is not a troll:rolleyes:;
AFAICT the Padi pros were there on their holidays too and just following the dive centre's DM, in which case you can't really blame them apart from the fact that if the person leading me on the dive went from 25m to 30m, back to 25 and then down to 38 they would be doing it without me for company and a PADI DM should know enough to thumb that idea too.
But it looks like a troll to me.
It all seems to neat to me also... he seems to post on YD almost immediately before & after getting medical treatment... all too tidy... suggests trolling as stated above :eek:
One little pointer that led me to think he had an attention seeking syndrome was his references to neat little acronyms' like DCI.
A dive numpty ignorant and without a clue like he pretends to be would have at best referred to it as the bends. ;) However, at least the postings are thought provoking and has most of us thinking now that the holiday dive gods are not all knowing. :eek:
Yogi Diver
10-06-08, 06:57
Before we all jump on PADI though remember these dives happened in cuba where there are no PADI centres so these professionals could have been NAUI/cmas etc.
I apologise to any PADI people offended by my posts. I asumed PADI just because it ususally is on Holiday. Loudy is quite right, PADI's not mentioned so could have been anybody.
Personally I strongly suspect a wind up attention seeker is playing with peoples minds. I don’t think that he would have survived the flight back home with a cola blood stream.
Something just doesn't sound right; maybe I am just a skeptic. A good yarn anway.
Doesn't say how long after he flew home so may have stopped fizzing by that time?
One little pointer that led me to think he had an attention seeking syndrome was his references to neat little acronyms' like DCI.
A dive numpty ignorant and without a clue like he pretends to be would have at best referred to it as the bends. ;) However, at least the postings are thought provoking and has most of us thinking now that the holiday dive gods are not all knowing. :eek:
Yep, on balance could well be a troll but, as olddog says, it's got us thinking about the sometimes dangerous practices that some of the less scrupulous dive operators can pose to unsuspecting, paying, guests.
Lesson for sure is BEWARE.:eek:
on reflection, it's a wind-up. Gotta be.
on reflection, it's a wind-up. Gotta be.
I'm in two minds if it is or not,what makes me think it's not a wind-up is that he names the doctor and the hospital hmmmm.
I'm not sure it is a wind up. Looked at the thread again and the discussion has moved on a bit since I last read it. Discussing further treatment etc. It appears he's been having conversations off thread with at least one other. (Big Si).
If it's a wind up hats off to him. But I think it's for real :(
Interesting, the thread is still going and now moved onto a debate about how much DCI and its symptoms should be taught early on. My take on this is that you are taught to avoid DCI, and so why do you need to know all the gorey details. When you are taught to drive a car or ski or such like, you are not taught about the injuries that can occur.
Anyone else have an opinion on this one. I can't remember being taught or reading much during my training but knew the bends weren't a nice thing, but sticking to diving to how you were taught kept you reasonably safe. Since reading some books on diving incidents and books on the U-Who and the Andrea Doria, I certainly learned a lot about the symptoms and causes, but these guys say they would rather drown than surface with foam for blood!!!
Still not sure its a hoax, also by the sounds of how his treatment is going he seems to be recovering. My biggest issue with the incident is that he didnt know what depth he was at and blindly followed the leaders. This is not training or inexperience, simply stupidity. If you are learning to ski and your instructing ski's of the edge of cliff or to be less extreme heads down a black run, you are not going to follow them, or at the very least question them!
Part of any training pre-requiste should be a common sense test, for any training of any sort!
If he really has spent a week in teh chamber, I'd guess he probably knows more about DCI than most people by now. I worked in the pot up by Oban for a little while, and while I am by no means an expert, it was a really really interesting course from a divers perspective. Aside from being taught how to assess people properly, we also got a lot of basic info on the causes and effects of DCI at the bubble level and how the body actually 'sees' and tries to fight off the problem.
I think the early level courses don't really convey much about the seriousness of DCI, but I'm in two minds as to whether that's a bad thing. When you first get in the water, there's so much else to worry about, you don't need the stress of wondering whether the bends will get you, when, if you stick to your depth limit and follow your training, the risks are relatively small. I saw quite a serious DCI incident when I was a brand new club diver with BSAC, and we wrote it off to seasickness. Luckily, other folk knew better and had the caualty off to the pot within half an hour.
scubagranny
10-06-08, 17:46
Read the story with horror!! I'm OW, I now have 17 dives but I still wouldn't do Advanced yet, my instructor said 25 dives first. When I was diving in Egypt, and made my booking with Ocean College, bearing in mind I was just qualified, (4 dives), It was suggested I do the Advanced course. I declined.
But, I too made mistakes, the worst being I allowed my buddy to lead me down to 29 metres, because I put my trust in him, not me. I didn't check my gauge, just assumed I was at the right depth. I didn't do that again, stuck rigidly to 18 metres, because apart from anything else, insurance covers only to 18. I had 2 dives in Spain in May, first dive to 12 metres ended up being awful, lost 50 bar on descent, then really struggled to breath, air was disappearing but not down my throat!! Each breath was a huge effort to take, and exhaling was just as bad. Asked for the dive to end after 10/15 minutes, and came up on zero. The guide said it was the type of reg I had (Hired from them) but made no comment about the air. On hindsight - wonderful thing,- I should have stopped immediately, this is one of the problems when you are so inexperienced - are you making a fuss over nothing or not.
I would agree with a lot of that scubagranny. When I first qualified I did do the advance course essentially right after, albeit it was partly because it allowed me to get drysuit training without paying for that separately. For the deep portion of that course we went to 24m in very low viz. After that I didn't go to or past that depth again until dive 39.
As everyone has said, (on the face of it anyway) there was a failing on the part of the dive centre for allowing an inexperienced diver to go far to deep, failing on the part of the diver to go to these depth without being aware of what he was doing or the consequences of doing so, and a failing on the part of everyone in not recognising and treating dci (overexerted indeed!).
The training agencies all sing the same song, which is to dive within your training but also your comfort level, etc. It is easy to let yourself be led astray by a more experienced diver and we've probably all done it, but in the end its your own safety.
Last year in the Maldives i had to guide a group of four divers round a wreck (for 3 of them it was their first night dive) as we were preparing to enter the water i realised i'd forgotten to lift my computer :eek:
One of the English lads handed me his and said you'd be better off with it as your leading and i only need it to see how deep i am anyway :rolleyes: i asked him what about no deco time? what's that was the reply :eek:
Later over a few cocktails :) i explained to him about no stop times.
Quotes from YD
"After a lot of time thinking about the cause of this incident, I have to blame a lack of education in training divers. Where the training is excelent and fun. I feel that not enough emphasis is placed on decompresion sickness. I knew about it. I was aware of some of the symptoms. But I was very un-aware that deco sickness can paralyse you permanently. And I was un-aware that even if you follow a dive pattern you can still get sick.
Just food for thought really"
and again
"I would like to say that I have learnt more about decompresion sickness since sunday than I learnt in 3 years of reading diving manuals. Now that is a worrying thought. That you have to get the bends to learn about it."
and
"Can anyone tell me what info there is of DCS in the early PADI / BSAC / SAA etc training? And are there any other later courses (Rescue courses perhaps) where this info it then taught?"
and
"From my memory I was taught nothing about DCS/DCI on any of the OW/AOW/RD and they were all with reputable people who taught above and beyond what was needed. It was always stressed that if you don't follow what your taught you life is at risk. All my DCS/DCI knowledge is either self learned form journals or courses. But I do have the advantage of working in healthcare"
and
"The general feeling at the hypobaric chamber is that diving organisations do not want to overstress decompression sickness because if all the facts where on display about it, in their manuals, then only about 50% of potential fee paying customers would actually take up the courses."
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!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:!!!!!
What - were these guys asleep? Didn't it occur to them to read the manuals they were given? FFS!
It doesn't say which agencies they trained with but I found the PADI books clear on the matter and I doubt the other agencies FORGET to mention it!.
Currently two further posts on YD - one explains the BSAC points, which seems pretty clear to me as well.
I was going to retype the PADI OW manual on DCS, but it's a bit long, but includes the following (from pages 193-196) "You wan to dive well within the limits....." "Signs and symptoms include PARALYSIS, shock, weakness, dizziness, numbness, tingling, difficultly breathing and various degrees of join and limb pain. In the most severe cases, unconsciousness and DEATH can result." If the diver has symptoms of DCI or isn't sure.....the diver should seek medical attention..." "The faster treatment begins the less risk there is of PERMANENT residual symptoms" "Although DCS is a serious condition, both painful and potentisally LIFE THREATENING......" I could go on (and may already have done so)
Not clear enough? :eek: When ever I read about something I am about to participate in and the words PARALYSIS and DEATH are used I pay attention (well, not always, but that's my problem and no complaining about it afterwards!).
Sure, I would agree that these are not emphasised by the training agencies as they don't want to put people off - but if he'd followed the rules and had any inkling of his depth and time, no deco limits, etc, he probably wouldn't have got bent.
[Similarly the PADI manual had one photo of a shark and says something like swim slowly away if you see one - not much bl&*dy use if one bites you, but pretty unlikely to happen and once your comfortable in the water we probably spend half our foreign hols searching for the elusive b*gg&rs!]
Like Chris I have read books like diver down, deep descent, the last dive, shadow divers, etc for story's of people hitting the surface coughing up foamy blood like cremola , etc. I don't see how that would encourage anyone to do this - but these are extreme levels or diving. Diving without monitoring your depth, NDL, etc is pretty extreme too!
I should have stopped immediately, this is one of the problems when you are so inexperienced - are you making a fuss over nothing or not.
Hit the nail on the head.
What you don't know about , you can't question.
And how many of us are bollocky enought to stand up to a so called 'instructor' , when we have been diving all of 5 minutes.
Feelings of anger rising , must get beer...............:mad:
After about 5 mins on the boat my arms and legs started to tingle. They felt realy heavy and I was unable to move them...I was ...very paralized. I could not move legs or arms un-aided... General consensus was I had over exerted.
I quite liked the above comment. Next time I have over exerted myself I shall lie on my back with my arms and legs in the air complaining of paralysis through over exertion (a well-known symptom, dontcha know?) and insist on Mrs H retrieving my beer from the fridge; I'm sure she'll be glad to help.
Next time I have over exerted myself I shall lie on my back with my arms and legs in the air complaining of paralysis through over exertion (a well-known symptom, dontcha know?) and insist on Mrs H retrieving my beer from the fridge; I'm sure she'll be glad to help.
be sure to insist that she opens it slowly, the last place you want a sudden rush of gas from depresurisation, is from a beer can!..;)
Don't mock you guys.
I had a very similar experience last year.
Did a bounce dive to about 45m , probably came up a bit too fast.
A few minutes after getting onto the boat my head fell off and rolled into the sluice.
I was unconcerned at first and even made a few jokes about it , 'not a good time to be losing my head' and all that kind'a crap , although secretly I was a little concerned.
I seemed to recall somewhere in the training manual something about your head falling off not being a good thing - still I was with experts , if anything was wrong surely they would know.
In the end we just put it down to my hayfever.
Had a couple of Piriton and I was right as rain.
Well that and the Duck tape.
ACHOOOO....
OH 5H1T , there goes my head again...........
OH 5H1T , there goes my head again...........
Weren't you aware that having your head fall off could have permanent consequences? :rolleyes:
Weren't you aware that having your head fall off could have permanent consequences? :rolleyes:
Peter , you have met me , obviously it hasn't.
And another thing , obviously it hasn't.
Bllible blibblle.
Who turned the lights out.
Father , is that you Father.........!
the whole thing seems a bit unbelievable to me.
Unbelievable as in , a lie.
Or unbelievable as in , the most hideous set of circumstances you could imagine.
Must go , heads rolled off under the PC table..........:D
I let my 12 year old daughter (PADI OW) read this and her comments went something like this as she got to the following points in the YD post
30m - why a 30m dive after a dive review?
35m - nuts! - why 35m after only 16 dives?
found out later it was 38.5m - why only later, didn't he check his gauge?
ran out of air - nuts! (I have reason to be embarrassed about this one :o)
tingle - nitrogen bubbles
paralysed - hospital or chamber ASAP!!!!!!!!
__________________________________________________ ____
As she read the posts on Conger she did say tsk, tsk Uncle Chris - language
I haven't explained to her what FFS meant in my post!
Don't mock you guys.
I had a very similar experience last year.
Did a bounce dive to about 45m , probably came up a bit too fast.
A few minutes after getting onto the boat my head fell off and rolled into the sluice.
I was unconcerned at first and even made a few jokes about it , 'not a good time to be losing my head' and all that kind'a crap , although secretly I was a little concerned.
I seemed to recall somewhere in the training manual something about your head falling off not being a good thing - still I was with experts , if anything was wrong surely they would know.
In the end we just put it down to my hayfever.
Had a couple of Piriton and I was right as rain.
Well that and the Duck tape.
ACHOOOO....
OH 5H1T , there goes my head again...........
:D
Extremities falling off? Decomposition Illness not Decompression Illness
The latter can be induced by just a few minutes underwater, the former takes a week or two.
Sheesh, I can't believe how little they teach new divers these days;)
PS Aquasure will work better than tape, but test it on a wee patch of skin first, in case you're allergic.
Yes , if only everyone was as mature and responsible as our ( 10 in my case ) year old children.
FFS is 'Fortunately For Someone' I thought , no ??
Bad Chris , go to your blanket...!
To get vaguely back onto the subject of diving.......if I might.
What does your girl dive in ( apart from the sea - I get that bit ) , I'm a bit reluctant to buy my offspring a drysuit as they very selfishly insist on continuing to grow and I can't afford to shell out £600 every 8 weeks.
Basta6ds that they are :O(
Thick wetsuit ? semidry ?
Cheers JB.
:D
Extremities falling off? Decomposition Illness not Decompression Illness
The latter can be induced by just a few minutes underwater, the former takes a week or two.
Sheesh, I can't believe how little they teach new divers these days;)
PS Aquasure will work better than tape, but test it on a wee patch of skin first, in case you're allergic.
Damn , I'm confusing STDs with DCIs
Didn't say which head fell off :D:D
That's what I love about this site.
We take a thread about a possibly very serious case of DCI with corresponding righteous condemnation of the dive professionals /organisations involved ...........and turn it into a gag about my knob-end falling off.
Thanks guys you make it all worthwhile :O)
I'm a bit reluctant to buy my offspring a drysuit as they very selfishly insist on continuing to grow and I can't afford to shell out £600 every 8 weeks.
Ebay. When they grow out of it sell it on again!
Ebay. When they grow out of it sell it on again!
I Love Ebay.
It's the postage that gets you on things like that :mad:
A lot more dishonest poeple on the site now as well , sad to say :O(
Be careful.
Stupid new rule now that doesn't let you leave neutral or neg feedback for a buyer - crazy !!!
...my knob-end falling off.
Oh, that head.
Staples will do.
Oh, that head.
Staples will do.
Cheers Hick.
Not sure I should have used the TACKMASTER though.
Seem to have gone right through........ :D
Ebay. When they grow out of it sell it on again!
Yes, if there's any interest. I searched for a couple of months to buy one for her and nothing even close came up. So when you come to sell it there may be no demand or there may be mega pent up unserviced demand ££££££££ - who knows
I let my 12 year old daughter (PADI OW) read this and her comments went something like this
and turn it into a gag about my knob-end falling off.
hmmmm, not sure I can let her read this thread anymore :rolleyes:
hmmmm, not sure I can let her read this thread anymore :rolleyes:
I'm sorry , but if she's still up surfing T'Net at this time of night you are OFF my super-dad list.
:):D:D
Stupid new rule now that doesn't let you leave neutral or neg feedback for a buyer - crazy !!!
Portects the buyer though. A lot of folk won't leave negative feedback about a seller for fear of having negative feedback left in return. Therefore the dishonest ones you mention can carry on a bit longer.
Portects the buyer though. A lot of folk won't leave negative feedback about a seller for fear of having negative feedback left in return. Therefore the dishonest ones you mention can carry on a bit longer.
Totally agree ,but there are crap buyers out there just as much as crap sellers , skewing the feedback system like that is just stupid. They should just do what they NEED to do and actually police it.
Root out the chancers and thieves.
Easy enough , 3 strikes and you are out......!
Bottom line , Ebay and PayPal want as little to do as poss.........unless ??
Trust me , I know
JB.
Funny thing is I dived from that dive centre in Cuba a few years ago. The very same one. At that time I was PADI AOW with about 40 dives. The diving was great, but they buddied me up on the second dive with a German bloke who was quite new. I think he had 6 dives or something. The dive went to 25m or thereabouts and the German bloke when I checked his guage had about 30bar 15 mins into the dive. I had to octo him back to the shot, and then tow him to the boat. I was angry at him then but I now realise that it was them that I should have been angry with. I was staying in the Maritimo Costa Verde Beach Resort, and it was 2005 I think. Dive centre was part of the hotel.
Jurgen was the German's name. Nice bloke.
dive granny
17-06-08, 23:33
It all seems to neat to me also... he seems to post on YD almost immediately before & after getting medical treatment... all too tidy... suggests trolling as stated above :eek:
Why do people do that? Bit of a sick idea :confused: